Episode 6 | The Weakest Link

Who’s one podcast away from waiting for some British lady to ask them some questions?

Whammy - "Who's one spin short of being the winner? Bye-bye."

In this episode, we take a deep dive into everything that defines The Weakest Link.

From celebrity episodes to the funniest vote-offs and all the strategy at play, along with the hosts with Anne Robinson, George Gray and Jane Lynch, the weakest link has always been one of the shows that made its mark in the 2000s because it gave certain game show fans (primarily those who think the contestants aren't all that bright) a chance to enjoy the show by having a ruthless host insult and roast them throughout the show. However, fans of trivia will not be disappointed as rapid-fire trivia is asked every round. Then, contestants must eliminate one of their as they build an ever-growing pot of money and hope to win it all by the end and be the last one standing.

Once the votes are in, there’s no turning back. Then comes the "Walk of Shame" for one contestant who must explain why think they were voted off to the audience at home. 

The Weakest Link format has been licensed globally, making it the second most popular international franchise behind Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? (at the time). The show was shown in over 100 countries, from Serbia to Singapore. 

Tonight, any of the podcasters in the studio here tonight could make themselves look good. They don’t know each other too well, however. If they want good reviews, they’ll have to work as a team. The podcast will go through to the next episode but one of us will not. It’s time to vote off… the weakest link.

This is not a game for slackers. There are no gimmes, no do-overs, no lifelines. No hints. You play as a team, but be ready to betray everyone to be rich. The weaker-willed, the unsteady, the ones who make excuses: All will leave with nothing; and if you fail, I will tell the whole world... You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

Transcript

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Hello everyone and welcome back to the Game Show Roundtable. Tonight we are talking about the weakest link. Anne is not here to roast us because we are not roasting her. That came out wrong, but yeah, say I am. It is Game Pouncer, and I am here with my guest, Steven. Hello. I had seen one before. Once. Months ago. Yeah. We're making it a little bit more than a little bit more. Yeah, we're actually gonna do it this time. Yeah. We're on last time to talk about Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader? And this time we are here to talk about the Weakest Link. See, it is a it is a difficult game. It is um a rough game, it's a brutal game. But uh let's get started. I would say the reason I like the weakest link is uh I like the progression, I think, throughout watching the game unfold. It's just Rabbit Fire Trivia, which I think helps it, but I also think what helps it is through the round you get to see the same people enter the trivia, so it's sort of like you get to see like who's really the best, who's not as good, maybe, et cetera, et cetera. Um do you have any questions? Yeah, well, should we should we get through let's get through the rules that we kind of explained? Yeah, I think that's I think it so it has the same rules feel. We won't go through exactly I feel like because that would just be you know it's a little difficult to understand without kind of seeing it. But here's how here's how it generally goes. In we'll s we'll go with the primetime US version, because the rules slightly differ. Yeah. And there's eight contestants, and in each round they get the first round they get two and a half minutes, it goes down by ten seconds each round. They have to answer a chain of eight correct ans that give it a chain of eight correct answers. Each answer they get moves them up the money ladder called the chain. Each step on the chain is worth progressively more. So the first question is worth a thousand dollars. Uh in the original, the second question's worth two and a half thousand, then five, then ten thousand. So the money, you know, the increases and the jumps were higher as the chain up to the top value of 125,000. If they got a question wrong, they break the chain and lose all the money in the chain. But if a contestant banks before hearing a question, the money is safe, but they have to start a brand new chain. Only money that's been banked goes through the next round. At the end of each round, the team votes whoever they want as the weakest link. Now, the idea is, supposedly, you're supposed to vote off the worst player because that person's not contributing to banking money for the team. However, really what would end up happening is at the toward the end of the last couple of rounds, once they banked a lot of money already, they start voting off the strongest players. Because at the end, once it gets down to two, they have a five question shootout. Each of them gets five questions and like just alternating. Whoever gets the most right wins all the money. So to avoid playing against the strongest player, you vote them out a round or two before. So really it's like the third or fourth strongest link ended up winning the money. Yeah. And I think the key of the show is to be strong, but not too strong. And uh don't get cocky because I think if we get cocky, people might not like you as much. Or just to be strong throughout the first part of the game, but then start missing questions so people don't really realize that you're doing well early on because they didn't see sort of missing. I saw it a lot in the the more recent, the 2020, when did the new ones start? 21? Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. So 2021, I I remember a particular contestant who ended up winning the show. I think all of the questions right that he was asked in the first like four or five rounds, and then in the last like round or two, started missing some questions once they're gonna start writing off the strongest players. Yeah. What I would say is that often there are some weak contestants who like make it really far just due to like I don't want to say luck, but like not being the worst. Like there's usually like one person that's worse than them in a round, but they've been like consistently weak, and they somehow survive through that. Or because if you get better as the show goes on, it looks like you're improving. Whereas if you get worse throughout the show, it kind of looks like like you'll be voted off more often. But yeah, and then at the end you want to be like obviously in the middle. Yeah, you want to be just you know, you still want to bank money if you can be really like it's r by that point, you've already banked most of the money that you're gonna bank, especially the original. Yeah, like especially if it's up to a value that like you know the team is like like you get it wrong, like you're going home, like that's when you should yeah. A lot of people would bank after, especially in the original, once they got three questions. Yeah. Because the third question was worth five thousand. It wasn't often that you would see you would see someone not bank the five thousand because they wanted to go for ten. Yeah. Even though statistically it made sense to at that point. Yeah, I think we could go for 10,000, but I think once it got up to 10,000, like you're like, no, no more. Except once. We have we probably you're gonna touch on that because there's another particularly popular contestant who was in that episode. Yeah. But so you want to talk about the host right now, or you wanna talk about Yeah, we'll we'll go with the host. So yeah, host, Jane no, that's not the the original host. Ann Robinson, sorry. Ann Robinson was completely nasty and mean. Yeah. She was called the Queen of Me. And that was the part that sold the whole show. It was so the show started in, it says you got here, August 14th, 2000, BB on BBC Two in Britain. Yeah. Which just a couple years before we had Who Wants to be a Millionaire starting. Yeah. So the era of the extra dramatic Yeah, Dark Light game show. Dark, yeah, dark with just very strong lighting, very serious game show was in full swing. Yeah. So despite a top prize of just 10,000 pounds or and regular uh wins, you know, never even approaching 3,000 often. It was they still have they still pulled that. And that was what it was, it was yeah. So they still had that feeling of the the millionaire feeling without be you know without the high stakes. The real stakes were honestly just not getting derated by Ann Robinson. Yeah. Because she was just very, very, yeah, yeah, very nasty. And that was the whole point. Yeah she would constantly insult the contestants at the end of the round, make jokes about, you know. Try to think of do you remember any of the good ones? I'm trying to think of any of them. I should have probably should have watched an episode just. Oh, what I remember it was 154 to the happy on the off top of my head. Yeah. It's just it's just the little things you really like. Yeah. Maybe we'll Yeah, always she used a lot of um. Well, maybe we'll go through and try to find some. Yeah. Yeah. Put them in so you get an idea. Yeah, but what I would say of Anne is that she very often she wasn't afraid to call anybody out, and even when they did well, it wasn't it wasn't like like she didn't she get f she didn't get phased, like at most. Because like even when somebody got like something in on her, she was just sort of like, okay, okay. Like she was respectful, like she took it like well, which I think makes it like very hard to like find her in a vulnerable position. Yes. But they also said, you know, if it was a guy hosting this, and I don't want to get into that too deeply, but they said, you know, you know, you know, a one you know, a strong woman burying a man is seen really well. Whereas, you know, if a man buryed a woman, it's seen more, you know, it's more taboo, of course. I don't go in too deep into that, but I understand why the actor is host, because it works really well. Oh, yeah, she was absolutely brilliant host. She's one of the very few game show hosts ever to host more than one version of the same game show in different countries. So she was the ri the host of the British version, and then when the United States got the show, she came over to the US and filmed our version as host. Isn't she like the host of Countdown now or something? Or she used to. She did she did she hosted for like, I think I was just reading the article for Canton the other day, and it was like 12 episodes or something. Yeah. Countdown went through a bunch, and honestly, part of the reason she didn't keep doing it was just because she kind of somewhat meme-tamed that persona when it really doesn't work for Countdown, which is like the happiest, lightest game show where becoming a season champion gets you a giant encyclopedia set, which is worth like 4,000 pounds or something. Yeah. To be for the surprise is the weakest link head. Even during the questions, she would read them and then you know, if they got it wrong, it was a little bit she sort of delivered the answers in a bit of if they got it wrong, she delivered them sort of in a harsh tone or sort of like or or like like let's say I say 49, she'll say 50, like or something like that. Yeah, it's like like Yeah, it's either yeah, sometimes it's just very much. Or sometimes it's very like it's or yeah, I mean sometimes it's very like you'd be like 50. And it's like the other times it'd be like that where it's almost just like in disbelief that you just don't know the answer. Yeah. Obviously she know for you're the weakest thing goodbye, but um she always she always um eliminated contestant with like some sort of some sort of statement, which I think was good. Sort of added to the flair of it all. And really, that's what made the show. The show would never have been successful without this. It was it was n like I remember like I read the UK Gameshows.com article about it, and they were like, Imagine if I think they said Les Dennis or something hosted and it was called the nicest link. And it's like Yeah. Yeah, at the end of the round, they'd be like, out of the possible $125,000, you banked a pathetic $5,000. It's like $5,000 is still a lot of money, it's not nothing. Yeah, and even when they get a decent chunk, you know, they could get like, you know, they might have a good round and they get like $20,000 or something. It's like $20,000, you know, that's not a small amount of money. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's twice as much as GSN ever offers for anything. Yeah, I think I think the issue she takes a lot of times is like what they'll do is like they'll have a lot of correct answers in a row, but because they didn't keep going, because they could have got it, they could have gotten on a perfect chain or a lot more money, but they chose not to take it, and they're sort of just leaving money on the table. But at that point they didn't know that they would get eight in a row. They're just answering a lot of questions correctly in a row. I know one one point, this is an interesting thing. I did once go through and look up what's the correct banking stra there's the correct banking strategy if I ever did it. It's either bank every time. Certain number. Yeah, because it would be like after every you know, it's like in the US you it was either bank after every question or after like five exactly or something. Yeah, because like five to six is when the jumps happen, like big jumps happen. Yeah, so question five is worth twenty-five, question six is worth fifty. Yeah. Question seven, seventy-five, question eight, a hundred and twenty-five. Yeah. So really, if you're if you have a fifty if you have a fifty percent chance of getting a question right, yeah, you want to bank on twenty-five K because it's the last time there's a more than two X jump. Unless you want to go for 50. Because I feel like for some of the lower values, you would need to like get those a lot of time even just to make what you would make once answering like five, which is why you can just bank for the five. Yeah. What the time costs is yeah. Or you can go. I would just yeah, it depends. I would just like realistically, I would just bank every question. Yeah. You get a thousand dollars every single question. Let's go with that. Because you can get thirty you know, you can easily get thirty, forty thousand dollars that way. Yeah. You probably get more, realistically. Yeah, obviously. Like if you're playing for like because you're only one person's gonna win the money in the end, day. So you should be sure you have some money. You're just banking good enough. So maybe banking after like every second or third question, you know. Maybe not banking like every first question, but maybe every second or third just to show maybe you're not well, I mean you can't control, but like the problem is with banking after two questions, it's like you have to risk a thousand to go for twenty five hundred. It's like, well, a thousand going for two thousand, it's not worth it whatsoever. It's just even money. Yeah. You have to look at the you know, the multiplier, and it's like if you're if you if you have a fifty percent, then yeah, you go for twenty five hundred. Yeah. But um you don't even go for five. Well, actually, you do go for five because you can double for five, double for ten, they go two and a half extra. But yeah. What I'll say is obviously with the time coming off each round, it forces people to play faster, force people to bank faster, force people, you know, just speed up. And and you still get through more questions per person because there's one less person, obviously. So I'm not sure if I like the I do like the time taking away mechanic a little bit, because I think once they're used to the game once, I think it's a little bit easier to sort of not necessarily like punish them, but like sort of like make it a little bit more interesting that way, maybe. How do you feel about that? Taking the time away. I actually don't like the reducing of the time because I think the own like it only became an interesting thing in the newer version. Yeah. Because the money ladders was different. Yeah. I and we yeah, I was I was gonna bring that up too, but or you know, it was do you wanna get do you wanna get to the revival because it's kind of parts of it changed? We can talk about the uh the the chain changing, how they change the change round right now. Yeah. So the revival is in the revival, they change it. So instead of the prize being 125,000 each round, it with the exception of the last round, it was always double. Yeah. So started it was equivalent at like 2,000, 5,000, 10,000, so on. Yeah. In the revival, there's a new chain each round, and each one the money increased. So in round one, the top prize is only 25 grand, which people actually do get occasionally. Yeah. It was only it was okay. In the original series, it was only or seasons. It was there was one time when the group hit the 125 in round one. Yeah. Which and uh just to give an idea of Anne said a reasonable start team. Because everyone, you know, the after about like a good 15 seconds. So hard. They're like trying not to like act all. You can tell she was impressed with it, but it's like you know, she's trying not to. Try not to admit it, she's she's impressed. She's trying not to admit it. Yeah, and that's again, that's that's what I'm saying. Yeah, then that's not honestly when they do worse. She obviously capitalizes on that, you know. Yeah, of course. Yeah. And the so in the round one, it's 25 grand in the in the 2020 revival. And then round two, the it's fifty thousand, then seventy-five thousand, a hundred thousand, and then quarter of a million and half a million. Yeah. Again, they need a seventh round because in the new version, if because there are only six rounds instead of seven like the original, once you vote down from three to two, there's not still one more money-making round. So there's the obvious you want to vote the strongest person out. There's not like an incentive for keeping someone better. Yeah. The only incentive to keep smart people around in the revival, I think, is is that is that changing of the chain because you get more money. There's a chance you get like a really lot of money, like if you get like three smart people at the end. I think it's a good one. If they had like a final two round where it was like I'm gonna say half a million, because well, isn't yeah, okay. Well, in the original it was 125, and if you did that through all seven rounds, because the last round was doubled, so it would have been two fifty, and it would have got you a million. But but in the revival, you do want to keep smart people around just to get more money, but it's not really but only one person gonna sell some of the money, so there's no dilemma at the final three, of course, because and the other problem is you would unless you have a particularly smart final two, yeah, there's no real reason to go up the ladder because it starts at 2500. Yeah. And then it's always either two or two and a half times the last value. Yeah. So it's basically two and a half, five, ten, and then the same, you know, front two digits with that zeros, twenty-five, fifty, one hundred, quarter million, half million. It's like unless you're really, really, really good team, there's no reason to go for half million. Yeah, not really going for like top value, but I'm still But I will say it's sort of keeps me watching because like the revival, like I'm sort of still watching. Because like it sort of keeps me watching, because I'm like, well, maybe, maybe something will happen where they get like a hundred K or something. They did get 50. But it's not like the top of the chain, but like go get like a six-figure value. Because I haven't seen any six figure wins in the revival. Yeah, I think they got they have fifty thousand round like five or six ones. Yeah. Yeah. So like maybe they'll get six figures. And this sort of keeps them watching, but it's not like a very big incentive. It just feels like sort of um a 50 grand. But it's not actually a reason I think it will happen. Yeah, it's like a he the thing is no one wants to see because first of all Yeah, no one wants to actually go for it, but because they're trying to like 50 grand is like a year's salary. It's like yeah, who wants to risk like an entire year's salary just to win two? You know, like without knowing the question, without knowing how difficult it is, knowing that because it's the final round, it's likely to be more difficult. No one wants to go for it. Yeah. And it makes sense. It's I mean, fair enough. Like, I wouldn't want to risk it, but like that's the one of the problems is it doesn't actually really change too much. Going back to the team that got the perfect chain, the 125. So after they got that, they really played it safe. Obviously, they just banked out every question because it was like, yeah, 125, that's a lot of money, you know. Fair, like yeah. I mean that's like I would actually just play extra risk. Yeah, like we got 125, let's go for another one. Yeah. Like part yeah, like there's obviously two strategies there. Like after you get the 125, or you're like, okay, let's just go crazy. Like, we got all the money already. Or there's the strategy of, you know, but then you know, if you go for the like you try to go for the perfect chain each time, okay. They got the perfect chain the first time. So maybe if they went for it again, you know, someone would have screwed it up and then you know that person gets voted off, obviously. But uh But the you know, I after I I think at that point everyone was just sort of like, we got the money, let's just play the game and like you know, vote each other off regularly, you know, the regular game. But Yeah. I think I don't like like honestly though at that point you also just vote out the strongest people. You know it's almost impossible to do it again. So why not just eliminate the strongest people so that way you have an easier time winning you know 100k plus whatever it was. So I think it was like what, 150, 100 at the end of it. Yeah, 150, 60, 70s, something. But yeah, after in the first round, they voted off like a young guy who like who I think he was a student or like he had graduated from college or like something like that. And like the reason they voted him off after he got the chain was like they were like, well, he'll have many more opportunities and he'll have many more chances, you know. And it was sort of like it wasn't that he was young, I think it was that he was smart, I think. And they wanted to get a big threat out early when they could justify like well everyone got the question right. What do you want me to do? Like they they don't yeah, they never actually say, Oh, like until the very end, some people are like, Oh yeah, I vote that person because it's Trump. It's like a lot of people still won't say, Oh, I voted them off because I thought they were gonna be the best players, I voted them off so I don't have to face them. Yeah. Actually, in the British version, often they're instead of saying Jane would say it's time to vote off the weakest link, and then the contestants would write their votes. Yeah. There would be times in the British one where especially at the end that she would say, Have the courage to vote off the weakest sling. Yeah, have the courage. Which it's it just illustrates like the it was the the obvious and very common strategy. Obviously, like the right thing to do. Yeah. Yeah. Play the game the way it was intended to be played, not the way it should actually be played. Yeah. If you want to win. Which kind of I had something else that I I think it was about I got it was in my head. I might have forgot. Yeah, I think it was oh yeah. The bait so like after they before they vote off any or like so they rate their votes or put in their votes or whatever, and then you know, Anne just um is there for a few minutes talking to them, trying to get to know them a little bit. How do you feel about that? Do you think it sort of detracts or do you think it it's a good thing? I mean, I I don't mind so generally when it comes to game shows, I don't really care for who the contestants are. Yeah. Like the contest like I want to like I want the contestant to be like fun, but like I don't need to know their whole life story. Yeah. So the thing is with this show, they do it well because you get just a very small bit of it, and then obviously go straight to the insults about like you know, it's like Yeah. You get a little bit of like, okay, okay, what do you do? We'll talk about the one contestant, Jordan. Yeah. He he mentioned he was he worked Ann asked him, What do you do? He said, I worked for a large bank in the Northeast. Yeah. And she was like, Okay. Is there anything interesting about your job? It's like yeah, it was like it's just making fun of or sometimes it'd be related to their job. Yeah. So especially funny when they get a question wrong and it's kind of related to what they do. Yeah. It just it's more of when like it's about, okay, what's your job? And like, okay, what do you do? It's like they usually make fun of they usually make fun of them as if they're terrible at their job. Yeah, like. And it's like it's like and it's like okay, you made fun of all and it just like something sometimes it just drags on and I I don't know why, but it's I mean I'm fine with it honestly. Like and she she does go to different people and then and then she does go to different people and she does say, okay, why'd you vote for this person? Why'd you vote for this person? You know. And I feel I'm fine with that too. I feel like there's these moments of like sometimes it'll just like you're dragging it on just like a little too long. But I don't know why. Do you want to talk about it? It doesn't like it's not like a deal breaker or anything. Yeah. Or um, I remember uh one time uh never mind, we'll get to that we'll get to that later. Never mind. I was gonna say about there in between the two primetime versions of the US, the 2000 and the 2021. Yeah. Uh they had daytime one with Georgia Gray, and he was making fun of him for it was the firefighters edition, and he was one of contestants who was very you know, kind of giving it back to George Gray afterward. He was uh you started off blazing, but then you kind of but then you went you ended up going down in a blaze or something like that. You know, just to go with the whole firefighter. Yeah, so basically the job was to it it didn't make you necessarily have to care about the contestants, because that I think is one of the noise is I don't really want to have to care about each individual contestant or who has to win. Yeah. I just want to see like I I care more about the game than the contestants. Yeah, of course. It's kind of like AGT is just whoever has the best stop story. No one get I mean, actually, people do get their crap because it's do they do end up winning? There are people who definitely shouldn't have one AGT just because they feel as good because they like the story. It's nonsense, but whatever. I will say, so in the final two, shifting topics for a little bit here, in the final two, I believe it sort of works like the chase where you know it's like, okay, there's set A and their set B. Or like, well, it's not really like that, but you can choose to go. Yeah, yeah, first or second, and that determines what questions you get. I'm pretty sure they're even most of the time. Yeah. So I think that's fine. I think it's just kind of random, whatever questions are. Yeah, it's random. Every now and then you get one that's like a very obvious question. Obviously, it's better to go second, that way your the pressure's sort of off, so like or maybe you should go first. Yeah, you kind of know whether you need to make it or not. Yeah, like but it's not really a good idea. It's just more of like it's more of like a process, like, okay, we had to do this, so it's like like Yeah, it's not like oh if I get this question. It's like one of those little things that's like okay. At least you know if you're gonna lose or not. Do it. Like we will say this, do it. We don't want to get sued, like Yeah. I mean, if they if they did give specific questions to specific contestants as well, it would be very illegal. And you know, they get sued, you know, the network would die. Because came yeah, no accept no money anymore, but whatever. Anyway, sorry. Yeah. How do you feel about how do you feel about the effect when they change it to celebrities recently? I I don't care about celebrities. Celebrities are just a waste of time. I watched it. I'm like, okay, let me watch this train wreck. Like, let me watch this train wreck. Sometimes I like watching train wrecks, and I I really fast forwarded through a lot of it, but I I watched a train wreck and I was like, dang, this is it's it's kind of funny if it was like comedians and stuff. I think they did cut the comedian special. The original weakest link, I was like, I the original revival, um, I didn't care as much for some reason. And I was like, why do I not care as much? And then I realized it's like, oh right, because there's a chance, like, you know, and like this is my thing with the weakest link, is like I like watching it until it's unfair, and then when it's unfair, I like stop caring, and I'm like, okay, you know what? Screw this. Like I want to stop watching, like it doesn't make me want to watch more because I feel like I'm gonna see more unfairness. Like the first four rounds are good. The second two are boring, and then the final actually gets me to interesting just because you want to see who wins. Yeah, like the first couple rounds are really good. Like I think after like at four people or three people is like when I don't care as much anymore, and I don't know why. I just think it's the voting becomes like you know it's not gonna be voting actually. Like I feel like I feel like more often. Like there was more people in the revival who would vote off who they believed was the weakest thing because they wanted you know to respect the game. That's like they'd make so long. Yeah, but there's $50,000 on the link. Like, I don't care about how much people respect me at that point on the week month. The reason they started voting off the weakest links more is because they were making like no money and they were like, okay, do you really want to get some people about that? And they were like, Really? Bro, I can't give $5,000. And like his thing. On the celebrity version, they think they rounded it up to like $50,000, even if you lost. So even then it's like even then it's like, you know, a moot point. It's like, we're rounding it up to $50,000, because you know, charity, but oh yeah, oh yeah, the charity editions, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Well the revival when the celebrities didn't do good enough, they rounded it up to $50,000 because the couple of the British ones were good. I remember you mentioned one if you know. The celebrity version was fine, I guess, but yeah. But the reason I watched them more for some reason was because it was like I didn't care as much about the outcome. Like I didn't care like if they turned on each other or not. I think that's why I didn't care as much. But like I did watch it more. I didn't care as much like if they voted off the strongest thing on the celebrity division. Whereas like on the civilian version, like I care more if they voted off strongest thing because it's a little bit more. I actually care more if they vote off the strongest thing in the celebrity one intentionally, because it's like the money's going to charity. Yeah, but like The thing is, like the show rounded it up so often that I was like, well, whatever, I'm probably not gonna get above 50,000. So like celebrities are still. Yeah. The thing is, like and like most of the time they can't really even manage to like get more than like get enough money on the chain anyway. So Yeah, in they rounded it up like most of the time. Like they never did in the in the revival. They never actually r rounded it up. They did, I I know in the original. Well, in the celebrity revival, sometimes what they did is if they didn't reach 50,000, they would round it up. Oh, okay. Yeah. I don't remember that, but I'll take your word. Yeah, I don't remember. So you're probably right, I just don't remember. Yeah. It's only on the celebrity edition, it's not actually on the other versions, but yeah, so there's not many um Yeah, there's there's not much. I feel like at this point it would just kind of make sense to go through like Yeah. I mean how like what the funniest elements of the show were. Yeah, do you want to talk about like so I was sort of mentioning before I like this I watch I like the show, I like watching it, but when it's when when I see something unfair, I start to like lose interest. I'm like, oh whatever. Like I come back to this every once in a while because I really like it, but like there's there's a certain thing in me where just like after a while of like binging it, like I'm just like over it because it's just not necessarily because it's unfair, but like I'm sort of like, eh, like there's something there's something that's not that doesn't like make you want to watch it like as often. Because like for me, what's always happened is like, okay, I'll have a period of time where I watch it and then I don't watch it for like months or like weeks or like and then I come back to it and watch it for a bit long. I mean to be fair, that's like it's not that bad. It's not as unfair as I thought. It's not as unfair as I thought, and then I watch it and it's like, oh, it's much more unfair than I thought. You know. But it's actually just how often they showed the show because yeah, for some reason if there was no consistent like this is how often episodes would come out. There was for like very early in the revival, but then it got to like every like three months you just get like one random episode of the week. It's like I just went like right after some kind of other show ended or something. Like, this is one of those shows where I think it's more bingeable, I think, thanks for I don't I actually wouldn't I've tried I've done it before, but it's like I can only get to like a couple episodes. Yeah, I only get to a few. Like not like the game is the the game is very evolved. And then after that I'm just like I'm like I'm like disconnected from it, and then I'm like and then I come back to it a little bit and so I'm like in and out with it, but it's not like it's not like one day I'm watching it the next day I'm not, but I would say yeah. Do you want to go through kind of Jordan and then whoever the fewer that got the main trader? I think that might be a good time just because I think that was probably what the highlight of the show was. Yeah. Like it of like all of the episodes that have ever been done, these two are probably uh the best. Well, you know, you know another thing I like? Sometimes what will happen, well I don't like I don't like when a contestant do it, but I like Ant's response. So like what will happen is like she's asking a question, right? So like, okay, let's say they get it wrong, and then like she has the answer, right? And then and then the contestants who got it wrong, they're like, oh my god, oh my god, and then the next she she starts asking the next person a question, and then like and like and like the other two are still acting up, and then she's like, be quiet, like that was they that happened a cut like one time in the uh Yeah, the puppet special. It was I think it was was it Zippy and George? I think maybe I don't remember. Yeah exactly. If you if you want to watch the show and you want to watch one of the British episodes, if you watch the puppet special, it it was hilarious. It's it's just there's no reason for it. And it just worked so well. It was so funny. That's definitely like probably the my favorite episode of this show ever. Yeah. Yeah. Um I'll say that oh god, where'd it go? Go yup. Oh yeah. Um, so I when they vote with like the flipping the board, I don't know if I mean it's fine to me, but it just I found it kind of weird, like it was so when you press the buttons on the revival because I can just see and just like okay, it's easier. But I yeah when they write with the boards, it's a little weird, but it it is it was funny because I created a lot of boopers, but and the pens didn't work. Yeah. Pens never work because I found a little bit not hard to read, but like honestly it wasn't hard to read, but like Yeah, now they got a screen, so it was originally you wrote it on a literal like blue metallic board. Yeah, or then they changed it to write on a screen. Yeah. No, you're changing writing on the screen, and then they changed on a screen and then it revealed it. In the news series is the butt they have you literally just press the button on like the screen in front of you, it's a touch screen. And then they press the screen. I think I like the digital touch screen the most because I think for sure. Yeah. It's easier to like mark it up. Like below their name. So you can see like it's easier to like make that connection. Where where where where where when it's above their name, like it's a little harder to oh, did you know that you're not allowed to vote for yourself? Yeah, I know. Like if you and when you watch it, especially like on the new one, you can see the touch screen. It only yeah, it has everyone's names except for the person who's you can see. Yeah, yeah. So it is actually you're not actually allowed to vote for yourself if it's not. I think you should be allowed to if you want to. Yes. I don't think you should. I think it would be funny to allow it at least. It's more of a thing to like allow each contestant to play the way they want to, but like at the end of the day, like if you eliminate yourself and like another person was like, I needed you because I needed to beat you in the final. And like another friend is like, I needed you to beat you in the final, you know, like and they vote themselves off, it's like, which I don't think is actually ever going to happen, but uh I was just thinking it would be funny to see something who just thought I did say terrible. That would be funny. Yeah. But um actually I think that's a good time, actually. How do you feel about the the at so when the show starts, they're all in a I don't wanna say a green room, but they're in um they're talking to each other on a couch. I'm pretty sure that's not I'm sure that that actually happened, but I'm sure like the actual footage that was used is more so more so not as I don't wanna say, well I mean that's just backstage before the game begins. Yeah, backstage. I mean the clips are probably staged up. Yeah, yeah. I do think they actually get some time to talk to each other. But like definitely like edited, like maybe like that's okay. Yeah. In the originals, not the revival. Yeah, the revival. Yeah, like these contestants are I don't remember this field, but like it's something like that. One one million dollars. Yeah, waiting for I wanted to get I want to talk about Howard. Howard is so funny. Sure. I really want to talk about Howard. Yeah, talk about it you can say if you want, but I really want to get to Howard. No, you you start, you start Howard, because you got then I'll so the aforementioned Howard, he was on the show the same episode the team ran the first chain for $125,000. Yeah. And he so later in the show Yeah, so she yeah, so after oh, was this late in the show? I thought it was earlier. Later. I just said later. I w I didn't say like that far later. I just said later in the show after the first round. Well not after the first round yeah, after the first round, but like round three or four, I don't remember, but it might be in the middle rounds, in the middle rounds, it was in the middle. Regardless, so and after the voting goes howard, just you know, that's how you know just very straightforward. That's you know, just your percent. He just responds. And it's so she's like, what do you do? I work for a large bank in the northeast, and obviously there's nothing to play with there. So she's like, Okay, is there anything interesting about your job? I was saying this before. It's like he was like, No, uh, there's a uh it's interesting to me, but I'm sure it would go right over your head. Um so she asks, well the next part, expert's a little interesting, but uh she goes, Is there any uh are you always very quick, are you? And he went sometimes in some things, yes, and other things I like to uh take my time, you know what I mean. She's like, I have no idea what it can be. He went, some well, somehow I don't doubt that. It just made you just constantly had something to get back at her with, and it was uh it was like the only time it really, really happened. Yeah, like she got I think she got owned now because she g she because Howard like Howard didn't like argue with her, she just she just let like Anne like well she just let Ann ask the question and then it was like, well, that's how I like to do it. Like Anne's insults were generally it seemed to be pro likely in a teleprompter. Yeah. When she would talk to the contestants, it did seem a little bit more open-ended. It's not like the contestants had lines and the Anne had lines to produce it. It kind of just did seem here's how the actual bit went. Yeah. And he was one of the only contestants to ever fight back. Yeah. There was also the firefighter. Again, I feel like I feel like it was Frank, but it could be completely wrong. Yeah. He he t um Yeah, he told Doctor Word Grey like pretty much. Yeah, so yeah. Do you remember exactly how when he was um I don't remember exactly, honestly, I don't. You like running into brain buildings? Like, yep, running into screaming like screaming like little girls. Yeah, yeah, something like something like that. Whereas like I was like, you wouldn't or like yeah, I was talking about fire like getting out of yes. And then if he he again George was the one that uh George, when he got voted off, he said um I just said it earlier. Do you remember it was? Oh what? Which one? Uh when when uh Frank got or where Pyrobois got voted off. I don't remember what he said, honestly. It was um Oh when you you started off hot or on fire or something, but you uh fire and uh getting it. How many votes you are the week is like goodbye and then yeah, he then dusted his shoulder as yeah. Oh the walk of shame. We didn't even talk about the walk of shame. Oh yeah, the walk of shame. Oh we okay. So I just like okay. I like the walk of shame. I like the contestant interview more, I'll say that much. I like the interviews more when they get eliminated. I think the interviews are fine. I like the walk. Like the walk of shame was the walk. I like the walk when they put the board down and then they like walk off and it's like screw that. It's gonna see like in their head, like they just feel like, you know. But then they actually nice comes out. Yeah. In the revival, everyone's always like, bye, sorry, whatever. It's like, no. It's just completely silent except for the person will be like walking off, and the rest of you will be like, bye, it's okay, it's okay. Just like, yeah. And then the person in the interview is like, they're fake, they're being fake nice, they don't actually think I'm actually a good person. Like, all right. Well, not not necessarily like this person better go out and this person's gonna win. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just the other funny. They meant to vote me off. It's like it's more of a like obviously they respect you in real life, but it's more like in the game, obviously they don't obviously they don't want to keep you, so them trying to be fake next is not like it doesn't work out because you know like in that sense he's right through that, like, yeah, well, if you thought I was good, like you would have kept me, like throw that thing. Sorry, that was way too bad. No, that's fine. So, how much more did you want to talk about? Did you want to talk about it? We didn't go on for a few more minutes. Oh, we can go on for a few more minutes, but then I think we should wrap it up. But oh, just as an assignment, Colin Joe Colin Joce is on the George Gray version. I've I've never seen the clip that's funny. So yeah, you want to talk about the differences in host? Anne Robinson versus George Gray. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, we didn't need to talk about that. Yeah, we were talking about Anne Robinson, um, I think I like the way they picked like good alf good outfits for her to I guess wear. It was all black every time. Without question. Except in the April Fool's version. Yeah. She did have like a pink jacket or something, just and she acted very friendly until the end of the first round and then restrict back to classic cold, demeaning interference that we all know and love. Yeah. To hate. Yeah. She wears glasses, which I don't think is a bad thing. It's what it makes her look smarter. Well, she also just needs glasses because she needs to see. Yeah. Yeah, like I don't think it's bad. I feel I feel like the hominid difference is different between the two. Because Anna Anton will be more like, how do you say it? Um, she'll be mean, she'll use a lot of words that are cunning, she'll use like, you know, she she's she's in the best interest for the team, but she's not shy, she's not shy about it, she's one about it. You know, she's like very like she's very like, you only scrap together $5,000. Like, you need to like ditch the dummy, like sort of totally that's up. Whereas George Gray is more like, you need to vote off the stupidest player. Like Yeah, his it was his like the insults weren't there. And again, it's it's not really his meaning. He's more loud about it. Like being loud is not the same as being like sharp and like Correct. Yeah. Being loud just makes it look like being loud just makes it look like you're like I wanna say yelling. You go, yeah, I'm gonna say yelling, but like being loud just makes it look like you're desperate. Like whereas if you say it bluntly, but you say it like in a nice tone, like well not nice tone, but like you say in a sharp tone, like it's more likely to like people like actually like listen up, like hey, listen up, like Anne's more like, hey, listen up, like George is more like vote off the weakest link, like just yelling, like not not yelling, but it's more just like straight to the point, like Yeah, it does that make sense. And then Jane but so George was somewhat like Anne. Jane Lynch is definitely different. Yeah. What else I think she I do like her it's more like in good fun, but it is still like the same, not necessarily the same as Anne, but more so like it's a different style, but it keeps like undercome. Yeah, snarky, like uh-huh. Like she yeah, she's she's actually happy for the contestant that wins the money. She and you know she'll still she'll have the strongest link, but like not actually the wellest thing according to the show. Because the strongest link is the person who's outlasted, according to the show. The insults are the insults are still there. Yeah, they're more comedic, but I think it works better when it's comedic. Because it's in good fun and you know they're not. Because like a lot of people, I think, when the first when the show first came out, they were like, dang, they they really want to embarrass these people, and it's like it's not about embarrassing you, it's all in good fun. But like, if we make it look like we're embarrassing you, like, I don't know. Because I think the original show, like, it wasn't like trying to embarrass people, it just came off that way sometimes. Like, but I think when you do it in it's comedic and in good fun, but you're still doing like snarky insults or like or like are like who doesn't have a shot at staying here or like something like that. Or I can't remember off the top of my head any like good Jane Lynch lines, but I know she has some good ones that relate to like TV shows or like or like events or something like that. Yeah. Um yeah, you can talk that. I'm looking for something to bounce off. Yeah, there there's um bounce. Sorry. Yeah yeah, it it there she hosts differently, and when big game show fan the pre big game show fans, such as myself, such as a lot of people found in groups that I was especially much more heavily involved in online, very much did not like Jane. But it's really because she wasn't Anne. And we were talking uh before, I was gonna mention that Jane is actually a really good host. Yeah. And people just don't like it because she's not Anne. It's sort of in the same way that people in minute like Minute to Win It didn't like Apollo Ono as host because he wasn't a guy. She had to be a good idea. Apollo hasn't written it for me, but yeah. Except to be fair, I won't get into that. I Jane was actually a really good host, where I feel like Apollo wasn't just necessarily that really wasn't his thing. I think that it's Jane was actually a really good host. And I like my I know I watched it with my parents and they were they preferred Jane. Now, I'm not gonna get, you know, I'm not gonna say anything that was getting banned from a lot of These from a lot of these groups. Okay. Because I mean I did talk about it once and I mentioned that I thought Jane was a good host and I did get muted for one minute sarcastically, but they're on a Discord. But yeah. Yeah. Jane was good. And it it just depends on your kind of taste. And people who are very much games show purists, or like think of the original as more just a classic show, didn't like that it kind of switched the form of comedy, even though it's still somewhat combative with the contestants, and it's almost yeah, it's somewhere there's somewhat contestants versus host rather than contestants versus other contestants. Yeah. There's still definitely some of that, but it's not as Yeah. Yeah, it's just they just didn't like it. And I thought it was good. I enjoyed that because I felt like there's more potential for comedy in the show. Yeah. Because I think with Jane, it's more like when someone gets voted off, or like you did they do the walk of shame and everything, it's not more it's more like, well, you're going home. Bye-bye. Well, bye bye. Well, you're going home. You're the week saying, goodbye. Like doesn't say it with like a mean tone. She just says it in a like, hey, well, you're going home. Like Yeah. The tone is better, I think. I think she she says it in a tone where it's not as cruel. And I think that helps it. Yeah. She's not as cruel to them, but you know. Yeah. And she does call them out on their, you know. She does call them out on their like like if they get a question wrong, like, she'll call them out on it. But it it's not gonna be like in a cruel manner. It's gonna be more in a comedic, like snarky, you know. Yeah. So I think if you wanna if you want to if you're going to watch the week, it's like one time. Yeah. I would say you probably watch a classic episode. Yeah. If you're more if you don't, if you're not a person who generally watches game shows, which you're listening to an entire very niche podcast about game shows, you probably like game shows. I mean, I mean actually to be fair, you probably should still go, man. If you're one that's not into game shows, you would would still probably enjoy the Jane Lynch version. Yeah. Because of there's more of a comedic effect within the game. Yeah. And one last note on the host. Anne is more just like she appeals to that, you know, game show fan that's like, okay, these contestants are dumb, like, let them have it. Like, whereas Jane appeals more to like the ca not necessarily the casual viewer, but more of the regular like game show, like, okay, it's a game show, it's being played, like, hey, let's we're here to have a good time, but you know, we have we want to have fun along the way, but like we're here to have a good time at the end of the day, so but that doesn't mean you know, we can't call you out on your you know. Just all called them out. Oh yeah, for sure. You know. Yeah, and um, yeah. I guess if you're gonna watch it, we guess like, yeah, definitely start with a classic episode of Anne. And then I think then go into the revival, or maybe George or a UK episode. Because I think starting with start with the UK or US episode and then I think starting with a US episode is probably the best because it makes more sense in the US. Because you get to because in the US it makes more it it's easier for her to insult people because they get more questions wrong, I think. Well, not necessarily, but I mean I think the American questions are also generally hard, but like in the UK, yeah the UK but like then again multiple questions. Like in the UK, almost every single episode, the first round was a perfect round. Yeah. And they had nine. They had to get nine questions correct. Well, here's the thing, the first round is generally easier than the other rounds. The second round's a little easier. And then third round, from then on, that's usually really hard. Third round, I like easier. In the US, there's only one perfect change. Okay, full in the blank. The idiom trying to think. It's like complete this idiom. I've got your, you know, and then just like falling back, you know, like or something like that. But yeah, really. Where do penguins live? The Arctic or South Kensington? Yeah, like multiple choice, true or false. Like, yeah. Yeah, it's just like one or the other yeah, some of them. I think they're trying to get a lot of deep. I think they try to start them off easy so we're gets used to it, and then they start ramping it up, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. I I definitely think that. They especially do it in the in the because in the uh yeah, because only 25,000 the first chain. Yeah. It's been it's been run multiple times. Yeah, so I think the difficulty scale is better. I mean, there's probably at least like three 25k runs. I think there might even have been a 50k once. Yeah. I think someone ran the second round. And I think another thing I'll say is um one time they got a first chain and it was like and then it was like in that pathetically easy round, and I'm like, yep, I know, yeah, now I know. Now I know the questions in the first round are easier. Because it was like, yeah, yeah. But it's yeah, it yeah, it's a it's a little hard. You kind of this is one I feel like you have if you watch it, it makes a lot more sense. I feel like us talking about is not gonna be as good as just going for it. If you if you think any of the stuff that we said is interesting, give it a shot. Yeah. It's uh is he like you know if you don't or you're not sure what you think of it, you have to give this one a shot. Other ones where it's like, like I did fifth grader. Fifth grader, we can kind of explain it and explain how the shit feels. This one, it's just really confusing because if you've seen millionaire, you can understand fifth grader. Or you if you've seen any game, you should understand fifth grader. This one's very different. Yeah. And the other thing I'll say is I'll say how it's marketed. It was marketed as who wants to be a millionaire, who wants to be a millionaire can buy a survivor. So that's a short. Honestly, very accurate. Yeah. And then okay, so I want to just talk about how you feel about like the voting blocks or the alliances, and then we'll be done with it. No, we'll be done, and then and then we'll be done almost, and then we'll talk about how we would play the game, and then we'll be done. Yeah. Yes. Uh you wanna you wanna go over it? I guess. So backstage, sometimes what can happen is you're allowed to talk with the other contestants and sort of like strategize or like form alliances. And basically, since majority of the shows have eight or nine people, you only really need four people to vote the same way every round in order to really form one. Form one, and then what you do is just vote off, you either vote off the weakest link each round, or you pick a specific person to vote off each round. I'm not sure exactly how it was done, but they pick up a specific person to vote off each round, and you all vote that way, and then regardless of what everyone else votes, that person will still be voted off, or you'll have the strongest link, break tie, of course. Um and I think that's a good mechanic, obviously. Um I haven't even brought that up, but um green times. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of times, especially in the revival, I noticed there were a lot of times when it would be a group like a group of women voting off men. Not as much the other way around. And also during the military special, they each had shirts with what branch of the military. I believe the Marines never voted for each other until it was down to the I think there were three Marines and it was just the three. Yeah. Then they voted for each other. Yeah, well, what I will say is um I think the strongest ling bring the tie is also a good mechanic, but um because it because it keeps in the power of the person who's the smartest. But um Oh yeah, and if the strongest ling gets voted off, um the second strongest ling starts the next round. But of course, you if you watch it, you'll understand. But um But um Dexity Alliances, yeah. Or you you can finish up and then we'll did you want to talk about how you you can finish up on the whatever you whatever you want. You can finish up and we're gonna talk about how we're gonna play the game and I would play within the voted. Well, well, well, well, well Okay. We're on the the strongest ling breaking the tie thing. But um you can finish up what you were saying before and then I mean that was what I didn't talk about. That was just the We'll talk about the alliance we'll finish up the alliance part and the strongest link part, and then we can talk about it. Yeah, I mean the strongest so yeah, the first the first round it's just whoever's for at the first podium or in the British version, it was whoever's thing is first alphabetically. Which I thought was a really interesting choice. Oh yeah, the person who's first alphabetically goes first. I think it's a random draw. I think it's just the first position. They do a random draw and then they that's how they lay them out in the actual show. Yeah, that's how they like the person on the left goes first. Like that's the most fair, in my opinion. Yeah. I think doing it left to right is actually fairest, because like you know when you're going and it's not like random. And it makes it like easier to keep track. I think the strongest link breaking the tie is a really good oh. Because it keeps it in the hands of the smartest person, I guess. Do you agree? Or uh sorry, obsidian? Strongest link breaking the tie. If there's a tie voting. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. We also there could be Yeah. We'd we'd mentioned it before. What if there was a way to make it so we mentioned you could say the strongest link could have immunity. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that's not really a good idea. I feel like the strongest link needs an advantage, but I don't think they need like immunity. I feel like there's another way to do it, but I hadn't figured that out yet because I was formulating ways, but then I realized when it's down to three people, it's very difficult to give it a strongest link an advantage because they already have the advantage of breaking the tie. And like if both people vote them off, like, you know, the only other thing you could do is give them immunity, and that's the only other really other thing you could do. Or if you book the strongest link off. Yeah. You could like penalize them like money-wise, but then it's hard because then you don't you know it's kind of hard to want to do that. But yeah, if it makes the game more fair, like in half or something like that, like yeah, or not maybe not even the whole bank, but just the last round. Yeah, like you lose the money from the last round. Like if you go off the strongest link, you'd lose the money. We're half I was thinking half the money from the last round, so that way you still wouldn't lose everything. Yeah, like you lose the money from the case. Because otherwise you get the strongest link off every time you literally have zero. You vote them off, so it's like Yeah. Or if it's a close call, then it's like, well then is it really fair? Like and then um I don't know. And then the alliances, so yeah, what so what obviously once you SQ your plan of the Alliance and then like you know, you vote the first four people off and clap them a few times, and she was like, and then she'll be like, to go to each first, and then be like, Who'd you vote off in the first round? Who'd you vote off in the second round? Who'd you vote off in the third round? Who'd you vote off in the fourth round? Then you know she would go down the line and you know, she and she'd be like to the audience, like, isn't does it not seem weird that, you know, all four of these people have voted the same each round, you know? Yeah, I feel I don't actually like that she mentions previous round votes. Yeah, like I feel like it draws attention where there shouldn't be attention because it's kind of like a lot of things. Well, I mean, I mean, both time she did it, it was I think the alliance was like already voting off like it already voted off like the majority of the people, like but I I understand where you're coming from, but you can continue. Yeah, I I don't like I don't think it's good to draw attention to that. I feel like that should be the like the contestants should just be more observant of that, and that should be Yeah. Like the um the home audience can just figure that out if they really care. Yeah. It's really very obvious. Like it's already something I'm generally noticing. Yeah, and it is all kind of influencing the game a little, which I can totally understand. You know, it's interviewing. It's it's kind of like I've heard about Survivor. Contestants will go on and they pay attention to the questions that get asked in their like personal interviews by the producers. Because if it's like, oh, what do you think about this person? It's not someone they've really interacted with, that likely means that person wants to vote them out. Yeah. So then they start attacking that person in the game. Yeah. And it would just kind of be the same, like it feels like it's just the drawing the attention, except it's just more obvious than that. I don't like it. I don't think it's good. If you're gonna get backstabbed, you gotta figure that out and do some feeling about it. Maybe if the cont unless the contestants could talk to each other between rounds, that might be interesting. Yeah. I mean I mean, you you get to see everyone's vote so you know who voted for you in the previous round, but you don't you have to remember that like by memory. Like Yeah. Maybe they could do like And you don't get like and you like you don't get told like who's the weakest and the strongest link. That's only for the people at home. Like only we at home get to know this. Get to know like they generally say after the vote, statistically, this person is the strongest link. Statistically this person is the weakest. When they're voting, like the announcer will be like, this person is the strongest link. This person is the weakest link because he banked the least and you know, got the got all his questions wrong, you know. But obviously, they don't know that, but they have to infer who's the weakest thing. And sometimes they don't guy yeah who is the announcer for the British version. I don't remember. I think is the same guy who voiced one of the voices for Siri. I can't remember. There was some it was someone like uh wait, who voy I think the name with the voice is Daniel. John yeah, John Briggs. Who also uh who was the voiceover for Weakest Link UK John Briggs, yeah. So John Briggs is the voice of British Siri Male Siri and also did that. It was just kind of funny. That's just uh yeah. Do you like the music? I guess honestly, I'm not as huge a fan of it. I don't I like the in-between rounds music. Or like the question like the during the round music, sorry. Like I feel like I feel like it's just yeah, the question music's good. I don't care as much for like the very harsh, like four beats, like the dun, dun, dun, dun. I can you please cut that partial. Oh like the four B theme, like when they're running, like the weakest link, like that thing, like yeah, but when they do the four I don't like that. I feel it's just it sounds like a part of the shit. I think they won't use it in the UK, but they might use it in the US too. But it's like after after the walk of shame, when the walk of shame is ending, and it might be part of that too, but I think it's a different so when the walk of shame ends, they're like it'll be like the lights come back or whatever, and it's really cool, but like the walk of shame ends, like the interview is over, and they come back to the contestants, and it's like the light go hmm bone, and then I don't know that's basically it's like it's like round five, you have this much money in the bank, you know. Or say and tender the time will start with the purchase. All of all the lines are the same every show. I like the light show. I like the lights. Everything was exactly the same. It was very uniform. Yeah. I like the lights. I like the light show maybe a lot. Well not light show, but like I like how they have used the lights to really create um a good atmosphere, I guess. Because I feel like when I'm watching, like I g like I focus on the lights a lot, like when they're voting or when Anna's explaining something, you know. It's a subtle detail. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess it's very much like the millionaire lighting where it's very dark and then there's the lights are very, very, very bright and focused. Mm-hmm. So if you like the classic millionaire lighting, you might you'll like this. If you think you got way overused, well, this is just another example of it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, so I guess we could wrap up here. How would you play the week's link and then we can wrap up and then we can yeah, close off. I would I don't care what people would think. Like people sometimes think that voting blocks are bad, but I would play a voting block a hundred percent. In my in especially in the modern day, what I've noticed is a lot of times there were all of the women will vote for the men. So I would try to f when when meeting all the contestants before the show, try to work with the men to vote out the women. Just because I feel like it's like it I mean it happens so often that you'll get to the you know, especially when the show has eight contestants, it's almost always four men, four women. There's so many examples of the modern of the recent the revival version where by the time you get down to four, there's no men left. Yeah. So I would honestly just try because being a man, yeah, I would just feel like I'm at a disadvantage with that. I would try to counter that in like the only easy way possible, which is just try to vote out the women. Yeah. Not that they're you know, if if it wasn't a game where it was like, oh, like the original it didn't happen as much. I wouldn't have bothered. I would try to form a voting block that wouldn't necessarily be on. If you're gonna vote off the women, I think you need to like I guess you would need to see who's weakest first, because if you vote off the strongest person first, it's gonna be more of a it's gonna be more noticed. And if you vote off a person and they're not eliminated that round, what's gonna happen is they're gonna vote you off because you have voted for them and they recognize that. You know. And they can use that as ammunition. But then again, if you do it in the first round, what you do is you just say, okay, we'll just go in order like yeah, say it's the four men or agreeing to work with us. You could just say, okay, whoever's in the first position gets voted off first, whoever's in the second position gets voted off second, in terms of order of you know, voting off a particular group like that. You can do that with any group, really. That's the thing. That's how because I would play it based on that. That's how I would do it. Yeah, I guess my strategy to me it's more about just trivia in general, but I would really just pick one person in the back and be like, okay. I'm not necessarily taking that person at the end, but I'm but I'm like, okay, we can agree to work together until like like we would agree to not vote each other off until like a certain point. And then from there. If I could get through with that with like the voting off all the women, by the time we got down to four, I would just put out the strongest link both times. Yeah. Yeah, I would pick one person who I knew was weaker than me, but I but I try to keep them around as long as possible, and then try to take that person in the final, and then where I could beat them in the final. So you're a little bit more than that. But I think that's the number one thing that I vote was on is who you can beat in the final. And if you can if you can keep yourself in the game, if you can choose another person and like keep both of keep both of you in the game, and then beat that person in the final, you know. But you need them to think that, you know, they can beat you in the final. So but it would be an alliance to make sure neither of us would be voted out. Yeah. I it you have to make an alliance, I think. I think it's kind of sort of like just like survivors you're talking about. It's about alliances and you know, especially in later in Survivor, if you have a you know, generally a dominant contestant in the Were the challenges called in Survivor? There's a term for them. But whatever. You know, the challenges in Survivor, you have one particular strong player in the challenge is you have to vote them off the moment they failed the challenge and don't win immunity. Yeah. Um what I would say is on this show you don't want to be obvious. Because if it's too obvious you did really bad, or if it's too obvious you did really well, like you need to ride the line, like very Oh yeah, in terms of actually answering the question. Like the actual trivia. Like you need to use the thing. If you start off strong and get bad, they're gonna vote you off at the end. If well not like final four, final five, like that's when they'll vote you off, because these are that strong, but like it's not how you start until you finish. Because at the start there's more people in the field, so it's okay to do bad at the beginning. But it's okay to do bad at the beginning. You just have to get better as the show goes on. And you have to get better when the questions get harder, which is a tough thing to do, but it is possible. Whereas if you start out strong on the easy questions and like really fumble your way, like people won't want to keep you until the end. I mean people might, but like usually what happens is they keep a really weak person around, and like there'll be like multiple people in the interviews who are like, like, this person hasn't done anything for like three rounds. Why haven't they been voted off yet? And it's like, you know, you know, and like and then it'll be all the strong people who are like are really having like a terrible round. Like the biggest thing is you don't want to have the you don't want to have a terrible round and you don't want to have a great round. At the end you don't want to have like a an amazing round. At the beginning, you don't want to have a terrible round. Or like in the middle you don't want to have a terrible round. It's okay to have a bad round at the beginning, but yeah, you generally want to stay in the middle, yeah. You need to leave yeah, you you can't be the worst at the beginning. You can't be the best by the end. Yeah. I think that's the best way to say it. Yeah. Yes. Okay. That's a really good way to say it. So is there anything else you want to cover? No, I think that's pretty much the whole show. Do you think League Slink can work for them in the future? Or what would what would you change or what would you or is there anything I think it's just general game changes, get them general. You you can make change format, you can do it, you can bring it back however you want. Like you have full control. Okay. Realistically, if I were if I were a network executive, I would put a bunch of celebrity games on. That's really because again, no one really cares about normal people as awful as it is. Like it ha I I don't think it's it's one of those game shows that only game show fans truly appreciate, and the only way to bring non-game show fans is to have celebrities on it. Yeah. There's certain ones where you don't have to be a game show. Like a non-game show fan might still watch, you know, Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy. Yeah. Prices right. Or even like Are You Smart in the Fifth Grader? They might keep it on if it's on. I don't really like coming in the middle of a game of weakest link, you're not gonna keep it on because you don't know what we're gonna do. Yes. Because it's Rapid Fire Trivia, and you're also like it's a s it's like well, it isn't episodic game show, but like like like like if like you watch the beginning of the show and then you change the channel and then you come back 30 minutes later, obviously, you know, like five people wouldn't vote it off. So Yeah, you like just like Survivor, you don't watch like if you watch Survivor, you like start with City. Yeah, you have to watch the entire show. Yeah, it's like it's just a mini season of it's just trivia Survivor and it's very small where it's just one Yeah. Instead of being but instead of Survivor where it's you wouldn't start with episode three, you wouldn't start after the first commercial break after or like second commercial break after a couple people are gone. So that's why this is so uh such a commitment in terms of watching the show. Yeah. Do you think the host is good right now? Jane Lunch, yeah. Yes. I I agree with you. I people she gets way too much hate from the It's a balance, it's a balancing act. Because if you're too mean, you're seen as like kind of not snobby, but like you're kind of seen as like, eh. I mean something. Yeah, yeah. But then it but then if you're like too nice, you're like, I wish the host would just, you know, say something like that. It's very much preference and all the game shows. All the all the people who watch game shows who are like very like it has to be the way it was, who think only Anne can never host that show are just wrong. They they're lying if they if they say Jane's not a good host. Jane's definitely a good host, maybe even but like maybe even better than Anne. And to but it's depends on taste, but to say she's not a good host is crazy. Yeah, the point is to laugh at the contestants get when the when they get in when they get insulted, the point is to like laugh for fun. It's not to like laugh for because you're laugh you're not supposed to laugh. I mean you're sort you're not supposed to laugh at them, but you're supposed to more so laugh with them. Or like laugh with the host, like haha, like they got wrong. Yeah. You're supposed to laugh with the host, not necessarily with like not laugh at the contestants. You know. Yeah. Take your p what's what's your preference. If you know. I like Jane more, but I think she needs a little bit of um I like Jane, honestly. Like the thing with Anne is it gets old really quick, I feel like. Like like I like R Ann a lot, but it gets old like really fast. Like Yeah. It it doesn't get dry. She's able to mix it up more. Anne is able to mix it up, but it's only you'd only mix up like the same phrase like so many times. Like whereas Jane, she's more flexible, she's able to like mix different phrases, or like you use new stuff, use new material. Whereas I feel like Ant sticks to the same material but just changes like the flavor. Yeah, that's pretty much yeah. That's a good description. But yeah, I you wanna wrap it up? Yeah. You good? Yeah. I think I've I that's pretty much every Ant got. Or are you waiting for me? No, no, I'm fine. I'm just Oh sorry. I didn't know I didn't know if you were waiting for me. Oh yeah. So that will do it for the weakest link. And neither of us got voted off today, but that's a good thing. But next time we will be going away from the weakest link, and instead of trying to be voted off, you will be trying to avoid whammies when we cover Press Your Luck and Whammy. And we will be sticking to the original versions. That does it for the Game Show Roundtable this week. Thank you for listening in. And Steven, anything you wanna say before we wrap up? Oh, okay. Oh, okay. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving, okay. I'm not leaving, okay. Okay, fair enough.